Nathan Fielder: But do you understand the wordplay, the sort of central pun? Elizabeth Holmes (smiling like Pearl): The shrimp didn't fry the rice. Someone else did.

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Anyway - it's my long way to give a salute to Bioware - anyone who worked there in good years, or bad. It's fucking awful, and you deserved better.

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We come back to the idea of Execs who really don't understand art or why people make art, in any way, finding ways to absolutely annihilate those that do, in a death of a thousand cuts and then one big 400-person cut. It's heartbreaking. The western games industry kills a NIntendo every year.

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So I look back at those early years, and I see a company who understood they were doing really geeky things, but loved them, and wanted people to love them and realised that they needn't submit to the idea they were destined to be unpopular. They made great pop games.

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So you look across time, and it feels like a rise and fall. It's 30 years. A lifetime. But at the same time, you look at - say - what Larian has achieved with Baldur's Gate 3, and you can't help be aware how badly Electronic Arts fucked up with the stewardship of Bioware.

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