Thinking more about the establishment phase, sick is what we're now in

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Yes. And it is also good to know that the default is obedience so that we can recognize and resist that too. And part of that obedience is the "okay, well we'll just stick this out for 4 years" expecting it to end if nothing is done. People are also lazy.

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So basically we need to resist as much and as openly as possible until that point, and if that isn’t enough, and it goes even darker, that’s the time to switch to secret stuff?

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But if they saw someone disobey and that person was immediately shot in front of them then they would go right back to obeying again. This experiment was in response to Hitler. And the same rules of engagement don't apply to Nazis.

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