... Well, yeah, I guess getting too deep in the weeds with a particular hobby horse ("D&D 5e is not a game of satisfying story production") can lead to you over generalising ("ttrpgs cannot reliably generate satisfying stories reliably.")

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(and incidentally really embodies design principles developed on the forge)

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And to see that cobblers right before a thread about a new edition of Microscope (a ttrpg of world building with no "fail state", but definite mechanisms and consequences that sure feels like building a satisfying narrative...

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Couple it with the usual dismissal of forge theories by folks that never engaged with them (and end up arguing with what they imagine they said), then ugh.

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But the conclusions seemed to be "ttrpgs do sequences of events that only become stories in retrospect, and cannot ever pay attention to narrative structures" is, well, hugely limiting.

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